Isake and Kirya have an unfiltered conversation about cultivating spaces for black queerness to thrive with, Jarvis Green, the Founder & Producing Artistic Director of Jag Productions, a Black theatre company in Upper Valley Vermont. We touch on friendships, family, and the presence and absence of queer narratives in our history and our lives.

Show Notes


Old Vermont (this recipe makes one drink)

  • 5 ounces gin

  • ½ ounce Grade B pure maple syrup (Maple syrup from Vermont, of you can get it!)

  • ¼ ounce freshly squeezed lemon juice

  • ¼ ounce freshly squeezed orange juice

  • 2 dashes bitters

  • Ice

  • Orange rind

Combine all liquid ingredients into a shaker, add ice, and shake vigorously. Strain into a chilled martini glass, twist orange rind, and place on surface of drink. Enjoy!


  • Intro: Sage by Be Steadwell

  • Additional Music

    • Hands by Boomscat

    • Satisfied from the Hamilton Broadway Soundtrack

    • All other interstitial music by Abel Shifferaw

  • Outro: Hey by Boomscat

The Team

  • Hosted by Isake Smith and Kirya Traber

  • Produced by Isake Smith, Kirya Traber

  • Engineered by Lance John

  • Edited by Jassel Hernandez